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Folger Shakespeare Library: Shakespeare Unlimited

The Brief Life and Big Impact of the Federal Theatre Project, with James Shapiro

Folger Shakespeare Library: Shakespeare Unlimited

Folger Shakespeare Library

Arts

4.7837 Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2024

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Imagine: a fiercely idealistic, politically progressive artist takes the stand at a hearing of the House Un-American Activities Committee. The chair of the committee is a hard-right demagogue with a gift for sound bites and a fixation with Communism. If you’re picturing Joseph McCarthy’s anti-Communist crusade in the 1950s… think two decades earlier. This story played during the Great Depression. The congressman was Martin Dies, a Democrat from Texas. On the stand was Hallie Flanagan, the director of the Federal Theatre Project, Franklin D. Roosevelt’s ambitious program to rescue live theater in America. The project attempted to create jobs for thousands of out-of-work playwrights, actors, directors, and backstage technicians. It commissioned new plays and staged productions all around the country. And, despite logistical hitches and ideological blowback, the Federal Theatre managed to reach millions of Americans, many of whom had never seen a live production ever before. Columbia University Professor James Shapiro’s new book, The Playbook: A Story of Theater, Democracy, and the Making of a Culture War, tells the story of that New Deal program and how it changed our cultural and political landscape. He discusses it with host Barbara Bogaev. James Shapiro is the Larry Miller Professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia University. He is the author of several acclaimed books on Shakespeare including A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare: 1599, Contested Will; Who Wrote Shakespeare?, and The Year of Lear: Shakespeare in 1606, and Shakespeare in a Divided America: What His Plays Tell Us About Our Past and Future. From the Shakespeare Unlimited podcast. Published July 16, 2024. © Folger Shakespeare Library. All rights reserved. This episode was produced by Matt Frassica. Garland Scott is the associate producer. It was edited by Gail Kern Paster. Ben Lauer is the web producer. Leonor Fernandez edits our transcripts. Final mixing services provided by Clean Cuts at Three Seas, Inc.

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0:00.0

From the Folger Shakespeare Library, this is Shakespeare Unlimited. I'm Barbara Bogue.

0:08.5

Imagine the scene. A fiercely idealistic, politically progressive artist takes the stand at a hearing of the House on American Activities Committee.

0:17.9

The chair of the committee is a hard-right demagogue with a gift for soundbites and a

0:22.2

fixation with communism. Now guess what decade we're in? No, it's not Joseph McCarthy's anti-communist

0:29.5

crusade in the 1950s. This story played out two decades earlier during the Great Depression.

0:36.4

The congressman was Martin Dyes, a Democrat from Texas,

0:39.9

and on the stand was Hallie Flanagan, the director of Franklin D. Roosevelt's ambitious program

0:44.9

to rescue live theater in America. My guest is James Shapiro, who teaches English and

0:50.9

comparative literature at Columbia University. In his latest book, Shapiro tells the

0:55.9

story of the Federal Theater Project, a little-known program within FDR's New Deal. The federal

1:02.6

theater attempted to create jobs for thousands of out-of-work playwrights, actors, directors, and

1:08.2

backstage technicians. It commissioned new plays and stage productions all around

1:13.1

the country. Hally Flanagan assembled a powerhouse of talent for the federal theater and ran into

1:20.0

trouble almost immediately. But despite logistical hitches and ideological blowback, the federal theater managed to reach millions of

1:29.3

Americans, many of whom had never seen a live production ever before. James Rapiro has appeared

1:36.5

twice before on Shakespeare Unlimited, first in 2015 to discuss his book, The Year of Lear,

1:42.9

and in 2020, we spoke about Shakespeare in a divided America.

1:47.8

His latest is called The Playbook, A Story of Theater, Democracy, and the Making of a Culture War.

1:54.7

James Shapiro, welcome back.

1:56.7

Good talking.

1:57.8

How are you?

1:59.2

Great.

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