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The Book Club: Lionel Shriver

Best of the Spectator

The Spectator

Society & Culture, News Commentary, News, Daily News

4.3826 Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

My guest on this week's Book Club podcast is Lionel Shriver, whose new novel A Better Life offers among other things a savage send-up of liberal pieties on immigration. I asked Lionel what she was trying to do with the book (why make the argument, for instance, in a novel rather than an op-ed?), whether New York's immigration law really is as nutty as her story paints it, and how she reacts to the opprobrium that this sort of to-the-moment writing stirs up.

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0:00.0

On Tuesday the 24th of March, our speakers will debate the motion,

0:04.0

this House believes we should abolish the licence fee.

0:07.2

Spectator Chairman Charles Moore and the telegraphs Alison Pearson

0:10.2

will propose the motion with Spectator editor Michael Gove

0:13.4

and former BBC America editor John Sopel opposing.

0:16.8

I'm Isabel Hardman and I'll be in the chair to maintain decorum and take your pressing questions.

0:22.2

Join us on Tuesday the 24th of March at 7pm and book your tickets at The Spectator.com

0:27.7

forward slash debate.

0:36.9

Hello and welcome to The Spectator's Book Club podcast. I'm Sam Leith, the literary end of The Spectator,

0:42.4

and this week I'm joined by the novelist and spectator columnist Lionel Schreiber to talk about her new book,

0:47.7

A Better Life. And Lionel, you being Lionel, it's not something that's, you know, everyone's going to blandly go along with, is it?

0:55.9

No.

0:56.5

I mean, so far this is a love or hate it book.

0:59.5

And it divides perfectly along political lines.

1:03.3

The progressives or the wokesters or whatever we're calling them.

1:07.6

Hate it.

1:09.3

And right of center writers and media often think it's wonderful so i mean i

1:18.6

predicted that ahead of time doesn't make it any more pleasant when the people who revile this book

1:25.9

hit the thesaurus for horrible. But it does give me a kind

1:31.7

of emotional protection. Maybe I'm lying to myself, but I think we are dealing with a certain

1:36.9

amount of political bias. Of course. I mean, do you mind that stuff? Because you're never one

1:41.5

who, as it well, worries about sailing into the wind.

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