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The Breakdown

The Bond Market Is the Truth Teller No One Listens To, Feat. George Goncalves

The Breakdown

Blockworks

Investing, Business

4.8786 Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2020

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Today on the Brief: More bad news from jobless claims and the GDP The big tech hearing was a whole bunch of nothing; watch TikTok instead Robinhood dives into Kodak (but so do illegal insider traders) Our main conversation is with independent bond strategist George Goncalves. We discuss: How the bond market watches Federal Reserve meetings What, if anything, was new about this week’s FOMC meeting What it means that the bond market and equities market tell different stories Why the bond market has been telling a long-term story of slowing growth Whether institutional investors are actually moving away from government debt and into gold  Why Judy Shelton should have a place on the Federal Reserve Find our guest online: Twitter: @bondstrategist

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0:00.0

I feel like the core bond markets, which is the government markets and the tips market,

0:03.9

they're looking at all this information and they're saying that, you know, look, the Fed and the

0:08.0

U.S. government, obviously valiant efforts. They did a massive campaign in March and April to try

0:13.4

to stop the bleeding in the economy, but they perhaps maybe shot a lot of their ammo too quick.

0:18.3

And now they've really, you know, limited the ability to actually arrest any sort of

0:23.3

second wave, both in COVID, but also a second wave in the economy slowing down in a more

0:28.1

proper recession. And I think that is lost upon most equity folks.

0:34.3

Welcome back to the breakdown, an everyday analysis breaking down the most important stories in Bitcoin, Crypto, and Beyond.

0:43.0

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0:47.6

The breakdown is produced and distributed by CoinDesk.

0:52.1

And now, here's your host, NLW. What's going on, guys? It is Thursday, July 30th,

1:01.2

and today we are talking about the story that the bond market has been telling us that we are

1:08.1

not paying attention to. To tell that story, I have guessed George Goncalves,

1:14.2

but first, the brief. First up on the brief today, it is the jobless claims and GDP story. So what

1:21.5

happened? First, the GDP story. The U.S. economy contracted at a record rate last quarter. It fell at 32.9% annual rate and was

1:31.8

9.5% lower than the same quarter last year. This is the steepest drop in records dating back

1:38.3

to 1947. Now, the thing that takes the sting out of this a little bit is that this was expected.

1:45.7

This is the GDP story of a quarter where we saw mandated shutdowns of business,

1:50.7

so of course there was a huge, huge dip.

1:54.0

The less good part of the story is that rather than being full on into a big V-shaped recovery,

2:00.4

we're seeing dangerous signals in other areas

2:03.1

as well, which gets us to the jobless claims numbers.

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