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The Daily

The Blurry Line Between Rap Star and Crime Boss

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2023

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

As a racketeering trial begins in Atlanta, much of the focus is on the high-profile defendant, the best-selling rapper Young Thug. Joe Coscarelli, a culture reporter for The New York Times, explains why, in a sense, hip-hop itself is on trial.

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From New York Times, I'm Michael Bobaro. This is the Daily. As a racketeering trial begins in Atlanta, much of the focus is on the high profile defendant, the best-selling rapper Young Thug.

0:24.0

But as my colleague Joe Cosckereli explains,

0:27.0

in a very real sense,

0:29.0

hip-hop itself is on trial. It's Tuesday, December 5th. Joe, tell us about this trial that began last week in Atlanta.

1:00.0

This is a crazy trial.

1:02.0

You've probably heard of Fawnee Willis. She's the district attorney in Fulton County, which covers a lot of Atlanta.

1:09.0

And she's become a national figure over the last few months, largely because she brought a criminal

1:15.9

racketeering case, or RICO, as it's more commonly known against President Trump and his allies

1:21.8

like Rudy Giuliani.

1:23.0

Right, we've covered it extensively on the show.

1:25.0

Right, and that's about their efforts in Georgia specifically

1:28.0

to overturn the presidential election in 2020.

1:32.0

She's using that same legal strategy against criminal street

1:35.5

gangs and one in particular she says is run by young Thug or Jeffrey Williams

1:42.4

who's one of the most successful and

1:44.2

influential rappers of his time.

1:46.2

And that's what puts them in your world because you are a music writer at the times.

1:50.0

Yes, I have been covering music here for 10 years and because of that timing, that means I've covered a lot of rap music.

1:58.5

We are in an era where hip-hop is the most popular genre in the country and probably the world and Atlanta is really its beating heart and has been for a long time.

2:09.4

I wrote a book called Rap Capital about the city of Atlanta and I spent a lot of time in Atlanta

2:16.1

with rappers and specifically in Cleveland Avenue which is the neighborhood

2:20.4

that Young Thug and his friends and collaborators and associates come from.

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