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The Blockspace Pod: What’s Really Driving Bitcoin’s Price w/ Rory Murray

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🗓️ 3 February 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

CleanSpark’s Rory Murray joins us to explain the macro forces driving bitcoin’s price and how the options market may be suppressing bitcoin. Subscribe to the Blockspace newsletter! Welcome back to The Blockspace Podcast! Today, CleanSpark's VP of Digital Asset Management Rory Murray joins us to talk about the latest macro shocks hitting the market and how they are driving bitcoin’s price. Rory breaks down how the options market may have been weighing on bitcoin’s price in Q4, and how the options market has changed bitcoin’s market. We also dive into the six sigma move in Japanese rates, the unraveling of the yen carry trade, and how geopolitical tensions over Greenland are affecting global liquidity. Rory explains why bitcoin is being buffeted by noise while gold and silver take the lead in the debasement trade, plus the intersection of AI energy demand and Bitcoin mining as we head into 2026. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * Japan 40-year bond yields topped 4% first time. * Japan has world's highest debt-to-GDP ratios. * Korean equity index rose 70% last year. * Yen carry trade has driven trillions in flow. * Gold crossed USD as top central bank reserve. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 03:20 Bitcoin & macro 06:45 Japan 17:08 Carry trade & liquidity drying up 18:08 Debasement trade 18:47 Hypercycle 22:50 Silver rally 23:18 Energy is the value creator 26:59 Options suppressing Bitcoin price? 41:10 Dampening volatility 42:35 Next 90 days 46:07 Cleanspark's BTC stack 48:14 Easier or harder to manage stack 👉CleanSpark, America's Bitcoin Miner! CleanSpark (Nasdaq: CLSK) is a market-leading data center developer with a proven track record of success. We own a portfolio of power, land, and data centers across the United States powered by globally competitive energy prices. Sitting at the intersection of Bitcoin, energy, operational excellence and capital stewardship, we optimize our infrastructure to deliver superior returns to our shareholders. Monetizing low-cost, high reliability energy by producing a global emerging critical resource – compute – positions us to prosper in an ever-changing world.

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0:00.0

On one hand, Bitcoin is the most globally distributed, permissionless, liquid 24-7 market that's ever existed.

0:07.0

And on the other hand, the market structure is some of the most bifurcated information silos, capital silos, operational silos, of any asset classes we've also ever seen.

0:17.0

Onshore exchanges, offshore exchanges, derivatives exchanges, futures.

0:20.8

Which future are you talking about forward? Are you talking about OKX, buy exchanges, derivatives exchanges, futures, which future are you talking

0:21.7

about forward? Are you talking about OKX, buy bit, you know, Binance, Coinbase? Like, oh, wait a second, there's also the ETS. There's not just one ETF. There's seven ETSs. There are more sharks in the water, but they all have different mandates, different costs to capital, different time horizons, and different structural drivers.

0:40.0

Welcome back to the BlockspacePod brought to you by CleanSpark.

0:43.2

Is the Bitcoin options market artificially weighing down Bitcoin's price?

0:47.7

Or perhaps a better way to put it, is it putting pressure on Bitcoin as traders make

0:51.7

rational decisions based on open interest. To answer this question

0:55.8

and explain how Bitcoin options operate, we have Rory Murray, the VP of Digital Asset Management at CleanSpark on today, to discuss the options market and also where Bitcoin finds itself in the current macro landscape.

1:09.1

Now, we recorded this live at Bitcoin Park at the

1:12.4

Nashville Energy and Mining Summit in late January. We are publishing it in early February

1:17.4

after Bitcoin had a massive sell-off alongside the larger market. So some of this stuff will

1:23.9

seem a little bit outdated, but most of it will be a pretty clear-eyed explanation on

1:28.5

how the Bitcoin options market works, how Rory views the options market and uses it to trade

1:34.5

CleanSparks' massive Bitcoin balance sheet, and where Rory expects Bitcoin to head or how he

1:41.9

expects it to act in the current macro landscape as things continue to get

1:45.9

pretty dicey. This is a really fun conversation. I hope y'all enjoy this one. We'll be right back

1:50.8

with it. Mr. Murray Murray Murray, welcome back to the Blockspace podcast.

2:03.7

You've been on the Gwart show recently, but now we've got to get you on the Blockspace.

2:17.4

How you doing? Dude, thank you so much for having me. It's always a pleasure to be with you guys. You know, I like you personally. I like you professionally. You know, I just, I like spending time with you, Colin. What can I say? I love it, man. Unfortunately, this is not as much as we might want it to be.

2:18.4

It's not going to be a podcast about our favorite modernist novels and our favorite modernist writers. We should do that at some point. I think we should. We should do the Bitcoin Book Club. Yeah. Oh, I like that idea. But we're going to, this is kind of a two-parter in the sense of we wanted to have a kind of checkup on where the market is right now,

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