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🗓️ 30 September 2025
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In September 1985, Microsoft introduced Excel, an electronic spreadsheet program that revolutionised the way we organise and analyse data.
With its grid of rows and columns, it allows users to sort information, do calculations, and make charts with ease. Today it is used worldwide.
Spreadsheets might have a reputation for being dull, but this story features space tourists, knitting, and crazy competitions.
Mike Koss, an American software developer who played a key role in Excel’s creation, shares his fascinating story with Gill Kearsley.
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| 0:51.7 | I'm taking you back to 1985 and the creation of a spreadsheet. |
| 0:57.6 | Now Microsoft Excel is a fairly boring spreadsheet program. And yes, it has a reputation for being a bit |
| 1:04.8 | boring, like a giant difficult to use calculator. But I'm hoping to change that perception |
| 1:11.2 | because this story of a spreadsheet |
| 1:13.9 | includes space tourists, |
| 1:16.7 | paint-ready lift-off, |
| 1:18.0 | knitting, and crazy competitions. |
| 1:22.1 | How much of you would consider yourself a spreadsheet ninja? |
| 1:26.5 | Where Excel isn't just data-cring software, it's a religion. |
| 1:30.7 | Would you accept $75 million if it means you can't use Excel for three days? |
| 1:35.0 | Absolutely not. I live, breathe and eat Excel. |
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