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Welcome to the athletic football show. I'm Robert Mays. Fun show for you guys today. It's all coaches all the time. First off, we have Albert Breer from the MMQB and Sports Illustrated to chat about the most recent news items in the coaching carousel. Ben Johnson going to Chicago, Mike Borganzi going to the Titans as the GM, chatting a little bit about the other coaching searches that are currently

in progress.

Josh McDaniels got hired by the Patriots while we were recording.

So a lot of fun stuff that we hit with Bert, really, really good insights and a lot of

those processes and where they are and why for those individual teams.

After that, we were joined by Kaylin Kaler, now of ESPN, to discuss her fascinating story about the process of GM and head coach packaging and how some of these hiring practices happened in the NFL based on the connections that mostly coaching agents have around this industry specifically.

So really enjoyed that conversation with Kalin.

Before we get to both of those, I wanted to just talk about the Ben Johnson thing, because we did

a little bit of this with Bert, but I figured I would just download a lot of my thoughts right now

before we actually dug into that. I've written down none of this. I'm doing this off the cuff

just because I think it's the right way to handle it. Okay. This to me was the best possible outcome for where the Chicago

Bears are right now. Every coaching candidate has pluses and minuses, strengths, weaknesses, risks,

upsides, downsides. I understand everything that's been said about Ben Johnson from a personality

standpoint. Maybe he's not the most dynamic guy, a little bit insular in the way that kind of handled some of the stuff in Detroit

as the offensive coordinator. As that role expands, what's it going to look like? There are risks

associated with every single head coaching candidate. I believe that right now, the best path to

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