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You're listening to the political scene.

I'm Tyler Foggett, and I'm a senior editor at The New Yorker.

In November of 2020, just days after Joe Biden won the presidential election,

Jillipur wrote an essay for the New Yorker titled, Will Trump Burn the Evidence?

It was about the possibility that when Trump left office, an archivist came to get his papers,

official documents would be missing.

Now we know that Trump did take records with him when he left.

But he's not the first president to stash or even to destroy his records.

Jill is a historian at Harvard, and she finds herself facing a question that she heard again and again during Trump's

presidency. Is this worse than anything we've seen before? So hi, Jill. Thank you so much for coming on.

Hey, yeah. Thanks for having me. So you once asked the question, will Trump burn the evidence?

And now we sort of have an answer to that. So I'm

wondering how the recent revelations compare to what you were expecting. I, like everyone else,

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