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Hey, everybody, we've got a great one today, you know, for a change, because one of my

favorite writers, George Packer of the Atlantic, is my guest.

George wrote a piece about the election, which was an eye-opener for me,

the end of democratic delusions.

And he meant democratic, as in the Democratic Party.

But one of the delusions that he writes about is the delusion that I had when people told

pollsters that democracy was an issue for them.

I assumed anyone who cared about democracy was voting for Harris because they were saying

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