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The Indicator from Planet Money

The Art of the deal ft. Beyoncé

The Indicator from Planet Money

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4.79.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

All of us negotiate — whether it's accepting a job offer, buying a house or working out who does the dishes. Economist Daryl Fairweather has a new book out: Hate the Game: Economic Cheat Codes for Life, Love, and Work. It's all about the negotiation lessons she's learned through the research, her own career and Destiny's Child.

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0:00.0

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0:11.7

Daryl Fairweather's first job after her economics PhD was at a small consulting firm.

0:18.0

It was a lot of work, but her boss was complimentary.

0:22.7

He called me a workhorse,

0:29.3

and he said it with a smile on his face. Okay, that's a little ominous. A double-edged compliment. Yeah, after several months of being a so-called workhorse, Daryl said she started to feel

0:35.8

exhausted. I would be working like up to 100 hours a week.

0:39.7

And 100 hours a week. Yeah, but it was a tough deadline. That sounds unhealthy. Yes. I mean,

0:44.1

it wasn't like that every week, but sometimes it got to be quite a lot. And I think that all that

0:48.8

stress, it just felt like I should be getting something more in return for how much I was working.

0:54.5

Daryl had read Cheryl Sandberg's famous book on women in the workforce, Lean In.

1:00.1

In fact, she was going to a lean-in circle support group for young women professionals.

1:05.1

The main message, women should negotiate more.

1:08.4

So she decided to lean in herself, try to get a pay raise.

1:13.5

This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Darien Woods. And I'm Adrian Ma. Today on the show,

1:18.9

Bargaining. Economist Daryl Fairweather just released a whole book on negotiation. It's called

1:24.5

Hate the Game, Economic Cheat Codes for Life, Love and Work.

1:28.7

And getting better at negotiation is important in so many aspects of life, whether it's getting a raise at work or buying a house through to global trade deals.

1:38.5

We hear Daryl Fairweather's negotiation lessons learned from her experience and from Beyonce.

1:53.8

There's a lot going on right now.

1:56.2

Mounting economic inequality, threats to democracy, environmental disaster, the sour stench of chaos in the air.

2:04.5

I'm Brooke Gladstone, host of WNYC's On the Media.

2:08.3

Want to understand the reasons and the meanings of the narratives that led us here and maybe how to head them off at the past?

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