The Art of Doing Nothing
The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos
Pushkin Industries
4.7 • 14.8K Ratings
🗓️ 11 May 2026
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
Struggling to find free time? Feeling constantly busy or burned out? This episode is for you. Dr. Laurie explores the science behind “time famine,” the nagging sense that there’s never enough time in the day.
Writer Tom Hodgkinson, author of How to Be Idle, makes a provocative case that doing nothing (napping, daydreaming, even staring out the window) isn’t laziness, but a powerful path to greater happiness and creativity.
Plus, Harvard professor Ashley Whillans explains why we keep prioritizing money over time and what that trade-off is really costing us.
Experts Mentioned:
- Tom Hodgkinson, founder and editor of The Idler and author of How to Be Idle
- Ashley Whillans, Harvard Business School professor and author of Time Smart
- Cassie Mogilner, UCLA professor of marketing and behavioral decision making
- Michael I. Norton, Harvard Business School professor of business administration
- John M. Darley and C. Daniel Batson, psychologists behind the Good Samaritan helping study.
Resources Mentioned:
- The Idler, founded by Tom Hodgkinson
- How to Be Idle, by Tom Hodgkinson (2004)
- Time Smart: How to Reclaim Your Time and Live a Happier Life, by Ashley V. Whillans (Harvard Business Review Press, 2020)
- “Time, Money, and Subjective Well-Being”, by Cassie Mogilner, Ashley V. Whillans, and Michael I. Norton (Handbook of Well-Being, 2018)
- “Buying Time Promotes Happiness”, by Ashley V. Whillans, Elizabeth W. Dunn, Paul Smeets, Rene Bekkers, and Michael I. Norton (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2017)
- “From Jerusalem to Jericho: A Study of Situational and Dispositional Variables in Helping Behavior”, by John M. Darley and C. Daniel Batson (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1973)
- “Valuing Time Over Money Is Associated With Greater Happiness”, by Ashley V. Whillans, Aaron C. Weidman, and Elizabeth W. Dunn (Social Psychological and Personality Science, 2016)
- “Valuing Time Over Money Is Associated With Greater Social Connection”, by Ashley V. Whillans and Elizabeth W. Dunn (Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 2018)
- “Thinking About Time As Money Decreases Environmental Behavior”, by Ashley V. Whillans and Elizabeth W. Dunn (Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 2015)
- “Time Affluence as a Path Toward Personal Happiness and Ethical Business Practice: Empirical Evidence From Four Studies”, by Tim Kasser and Kennon M. Sheldon (Journal of Business Ethics, 2008)
Related Episodes:
- “Are We Born to Work? Or Born to Live?”
- “Working Your Way to Happiness”
- “Stop Wasting Your Energy — Here’s What to Do Instead”
- “The Happiness Lessons Helping Win Olympic Medals”
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| 0:00.0 | Pushkin. |
| 0:10.8 | Hey, Happiness Lab listeners. |
| 0:14.2 | We're cruising through our special series on spring cleaning your happiness. |
| 0:17.9 | And we're continuing our deep dive into the Happiness Lab archive to find |
| 0:21.9 | well-being-boosting insights that you might have missed. This week's classic episode takes on |
| 0:27.1 | cleaning up one of the messiest, most cluttered parts of our lives, our schedules. Ever had a |
| 0:33.6 | week when it felt like you didn't have a single moment of downtime, when it felt like your |
| 0:37.7 | calendar was overflowing with endless meetings and to-dos, social scientists have a word for |
| 0:43.0 | that awful feeling. They call it time famine. And studies show that time famine can make you miserable. |
| 0:49.3 | But what would it look like to spring clean your schedule? To carve out time to wander around, |
| 0:55.0 | to chat with friends, to think about nothing in particular, or even to take an afternoon nap. |
| 0:59.9 | That is what I explore in this Throwback Happiness Lab episode. So get ready to clean up those |
| 1:05.1 | schedules and to break free from the tyranny of time in today's throwback episode, which is coming up right after the break. |
| 1:27.6 | Work can dictate so much of our lives. We try to find a This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. |
| 1:30.5 | Work can dictate so much of our lives. |
| 1:34.8 | We try to find a purposeful career, and then we try to have the right mindset about it. |
| 1:38.1 | But either way, finding happiness at work is not easy. |
| 1:42.6 | Molly Graham is the brand new host of Work Life, a podcast from TED. |
| 1:45.3 | And she's been tackling the question of how to make your life at work better. All the messy, emotional, human stuff that you experience at work, |
| 1:50.5 | but won't see advice on in a LinkedIn post. That's what Molly and her guests are there to help you |
| 1:55.2 | learn about. For interesting stories with seasoned professionals and the best advice about how to |
| 2:00.3 | learn from your |
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