Okay, we are alive. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show of a very special guest.

His name is Charles Upton, U.P.O.N. And he's just published a book in October 2021 titled, The Alien Disclosure Deception, The Metaphysics of Social Engineering, fascinating book, great book. Really loved reading the book.

This is not his first book.

He's also published a book that I've seen quoted in some of the books that I've been reading.

This book is The System of Antichrist, Truth and Falsehood, in Postmodernism and the New Age, published 2001.

Also, vectors of the countertradition, the course and destiny of inverted spirituality, 2012.

That's actually counterinitiation, but close enough.

Sorry, I must have mistype that.

Dugan against Dugan, a traditionalist analysis of the fourth political theory, that's 2018.

And some of the material in Charles's book actually very kind of plays into

some of these earlier interviews I've done this year in 2021 on two books having to do with

subject matter that's included in Charles's book. One is the title of the book is the believer,

Alien Encounters Heart Science and the Passion of John Mack by Ralph Blumenthal,

and Adam Go Rightly's Saucers of Spooks and Cooks, U.S. disinformation in the Age of Inquirious.

These are both early 2021 books.

But getting back to the alien disclosure of deception, really fascinating book, loved reading it.

I learned a lot in this book, and there's a lot of really good questions and insights. So I highly recommend people check this out. But Charles can talk more about that. So Charles Upton, welcome to the show.

Well, glad to be here. So.

Awesome. Well, thanks for agreeing to the interview for people who may not have heard your background,

may not be familiar with your earlier work. Can you talk about this book

and how some of your earlier research added into the alien disclosure deception?

Well, you know, being of an age when I could be, you know, of the hippie counterculture,

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