Tonight we return to the Alexander Brothers verdict, but the story begins and ends where prosecutors say it always should have, and that is with the survivors, the victims of the Alexander brothers.

Now, after Manhattan jury convicted Tall, Orrin, and alone Alexander on all 10 counts, federal prosecutors came out and said the case was only possible because 11

women came forward and told their stories in court.

A direct quote from the statement from the government here, evidence and testimony from

11 brave victims demonstrated that the Alexander brothers conspired to repeatedly lure drug and the R word with young women.

Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, St.S. Nation, welcome to Survive and Survivor.

This is the global phenomenon, bringing you the very best guests in all of true crime.

Tonight, we're going to try to focus on where the focus should be here, And that's with the survivors, the victims here of the Alexander brothers.

And boy, that number has really racked up since the first couple of civil lawsuits with now over 60 accusers.

And there's going to be a lot of fallout after Tuesday's sweeping guilty verdict in the very high profile federal sex trafficking trial of the Alexander brothers.

Tonight we're going to break down some of the voices of the victims.

Why the brothers, why did they never take a plea, or at least attempt to really work on one?

I don't know that the government was that flexible, but we'll discuss it anyway.

Also, there's talk now and some reporting already about a possible presidential pardon

and what lies ahead with sentencing civil lawsuits and possible state charges.

And no one better to sort of get us caught up to speed than our first guest here,

Eric Fudali, a partner and managing attorney at the Bloom firm in New York City.

He does represent victims in high profile civil litigation.

And he is representing a victim on the civil side with the error as it

relates to the Alexander brothers so thank you for being here Eric and we will break that down in

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