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Matter of Opinion

The 46th: The End of Trump or the End of American Democracy?

Matter of Opinion

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Ross Douthat, News, New York Times, Journalism

4.27.2K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2021

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Ross Douthat and Michelle Goldberg debate whether the events that unfolded on Wednesday should be classified as a “coup.” Then, Michelle Cottle deploys her expertise on Congress to analyze the Georgia election results and predict what a Democratic Senate means for Joe Biden and how conservative Democrats might play a role in Republicans’ long-term plans. Finally, Michelle Cottle recommends a series to watch that while not apolitical may help give respite from the current moment.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.9

I'm Ross Douthon, and this is the argument.

0:11.0

The scenes of chaos of the Capitol do not reflect a true American.

0:18.0

We had an election that was stolen from us.

0:21.7

It was a landslide election.

0:23.5

It's chaos.

0:25.3

And it must end now.

0:29.0

Today, we talk about this week's violence at the Capitol, the elections in Georgia,

0:34.1

and what it all means for this highly unusual transition of power in the White House.

0:45.1

Despite objections from a handful of Republican senators and many more Republicans in the House,

0:50.4

Congress has certified Joe Biden's electoral college victory, but not before the extraordinary

0:56.0

spectacle of Congress's business being suspended for hours after thousands of Trump supporters

1:01.2

stormed the Capitol, following a rambling and provoking speech by the President, smashing

1:06.4

windows, breaking into offices, and posing for photographs on the dies of the Senate.

1:11.6

Vice President Mike Pence was evacuated, lawmakers hid in undisclosed locations, the Army

1:16.7

deployed the DC National Guard.

1:18.9

To discuss these surreal events, Michelle and I are joined by editorial board member Michelle

1:24.2

Coddle, a frequent argument guest and expert in all things Congress, with whom later in

1:29.5

the conversation we'll get into the Democratic victories in Georgia that we saw earlier this

1:33.8

week.

1:34.8

But first, Michelle Goldberg, my old friend, that's start with you, because I suspect that

1:41.3

you're going to tell me that my insistence that there would not be a Donald Trump coup

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