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The Big Picture

The 1990s Horror Movie Canon and ‘I Know What You Did Last Summer.’ Plus: The ‘KPop Demon Hunters’ Revolution.

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.35.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2025

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Summary

Sean and Amanda start the show by briefly reacting to the box office performance of ‘The Fantastic Four: First Steps’ and wondering whether or not superhero movies will ever return to the levels of the MCU golden days (1:39). Then, they bring in Andy Greenwald to discuss Netflix’s newest animated success, ‘KPop Demon Hunters,’ which they were initially skeptical of but eventually became charmed by, and they hypothesize what makes a big cultural hit in 2025 (4:46). Next, Sean and Amanda unpack the new slasher legacy sequel ‘I Know What You Did Last Summer,’ starring Madelyn Cline and Chase Sui Wonders, which they found incredibly condescending. They talk through why they found the script, performances, and kill sequences to be deeply unsuccessful (38:28). Finally, they reflect on what many consider to be the weakest decade of the horror genre and create their 1990s Horror Movie Canon (1:04:59). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Andy Greenwald Producer: Jack Sanders THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY THE STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY. ORDER NOW | STARBUCKS.COM/MENU Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This episode of The Big Picture is presented by Starbucks. We are big Starbucks Frapecino fans over here.

0:05.2

So when we heard about the new Strato Frappuccino blended beverage, we had to try it.

0:09.0

It's a craveworthy iced blended beverage topped with cold foam, making for delicious layers of flavor.

0:15.0

I love how Starbucks leans into the seasons, especially summer. From vibrant refreshers to cold blended beverages, there's

0:21.9

always something exciting to sip on. Available now for a limited time only, your strato

0:26.1

Frappuccino blended beverage is ready at Starbucks.

0:40.7

I'm Sean Fennessey.

0:41.4

I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the big picture of a conversation show about demon hunters and teens in peril.

0:46.2

Today on the show, we break down two new releases, the Netflix animated sensation and one of the years big surprises,

0:51.8

K-pop demon hunters, with our pal Andy Greenwald from the watch. That'll be fun. And then we'll dig into I Know What You Did Last Summer, the same named sequel to the 1997 horror hit. After that, I'll present to you, my 90s horror movie canon. I have some notes. You have some, okay? I can participate at least halfway. I was there in the 90s. I look forward to that. Ten films I'll choose from an entire decade, a very strange decade in horror. Let's start this conversation with some quick catch-up on the Fantastic Four and its box office performance. We didn't like the movie very much. We talked about it last week. Listeners completely agreed this in another another great episode. You know what? I heard from a friend and an academy member who agreed. Wow. So there we go. Amazing. Pedro Pascal called you. Unbelievable. How connected you are. The movie did pretty good at the box office. It's more or less the same report that we had with Superman.

1:45.2

This movie made $118 million on 4,125 screens here in North America.

1:52.0

It made $100 million internationally.

1:54.4

Roughly the same as Superman after the opening weekend.

1:56.9

Superman dipped, I guess, about 54% in its second weekend. We'll see what Fantastic Force Hold is. I've been talking about the life cycle of superhero movies a lot in the last couple of years on the show. It seems like things are kind of settling. You know, where this is still a big, important part of the business. Right, but it's not... Not the most important part of the business.

2:21.4

And this movie is probably going to end up in that like between $600 and $700 million range, just like Superman. I mentioned after Superman, we don't get $880 million

2:26.7

superhero movies, let alone billion dollar superhero movies. One of the reasons for that.

2:30.6

China could care less about superhero movies now. They just don't go.

2:34.0

Europe is increasingly less interested.

2:36.5

The MCU's been flagging.

2:37.9

The DCU is starting something new.

2:40.1

So I am curious, aside from your Lilo and Stitches,

2:45.2

kind of like what moves into the position of these kinds of movies?

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