I'm Sean Fennacy.

I'm Amanda Abbens.

And this is the big picture in conversation show about 1989.

Of course, we're potting today about the Taylor Swift album and Chris Ryan is here to do so.

Are you excited?

Are we out of the woods, you know? Is that song on that album? song on that album? Have you listened to that album in full? Yes, yes. I think so, yeah. I think just ambiently, I've been exposed to it. No, I remember that, but, you know, he was, he was well into his, like, I don't acknowledge Taylor Swift take at this point in the in the journey.

Well into it.

Absolutely.

So I just didn't know whether you circled back. Stocks been paying out hard. I'm wondering if you catch that ticket. It's just sitting on a lot of dough off that Taylor Swift short sale. We're actually talking about 1989 movies this year. We're drafting again, which is very exciting. but you know we're-recording this episode, and there's been a lot of news over the last couple of weeks. And the three of us haven't been together and had the opportunity to talk. The big three. Yeah. Here we are. Yeah, the big three. And we never talked about the hunt for Ben Solo. And there's two people, I couldn't find two people I would want to talk to you more about this news.

Thank you. So much. Yeah. Sex lies in solo. This was the news that Steven Soderberg and Adam

Driver came together to develop and pitch a movie about what happened to Ben Solo. Yeah. After he died. He died. Yeah. in the last Star Wars film. Well, that's not what the movie. That's not what the pitch was about. I think it was that he somehow survived. Yeah, it wasn't about like Ben Solo's journey through the afterworld, you know? That is also. What dreams may come, but Ben Solo, that would be a movie. No, it would be like the Nick Cave version of Gladiator 2 Oh oh wow Maximus and Hell Solo goes to hell Okay That would also be really fun So Soderberg and Driver They get this pitch together Obviously very exciting The idea of them Working together again They work together Logan Lucky. And it goes up the chain.

And Scott Z. Burns, like, writes it.

Yes. So Scott Z. Burns is in. He's, of course, worked with Soderberg many times before,

and Contagent especially. And they pitch it to Faloni and Kathy Kennedy. And they're like, sure.

Yeah. Maybe. And so they kick it up to Bob Eiger's office.

And Bob Eiger looks them in the eyes and says, no, no chance.

And then that's it.

But why?

What is his reasoning?

What is his reasoning?

His reasoning is because Kylo, like Kylo Ren, whatever his other name is, already forgot, is dead.

Yes.

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