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the bulwark. I am joined by Alex Glorioso, who is the state government reporter at the Miami Herald.

Thankfully, she agreed to do this. I really appreciate Alex. We're going to talk about something we

haven't really talked about yet, but seems to be constantly popping up in my feet,

at least, but I'm a junkie. But it seems to be gaining a lot of steam, which is this saga and

scandal down in Florida around a quasi-welfare initiative, an antipot initiative,

Governor Ron DeSantis' top aides, his wife, and Republican state lawmakers.

It's a real mix.

A Maloo, if you want to call it, before we get into it.

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So, Alex, thank you.

Florida, never a dull moment, I have to say. I want you to walk us through

this scandal in a way that sort of just treats us like we're fourth graders. Like we just don't

know anything about it. All I know is that there's an initiative. It's called Hope Florida.

It's designed to sort of be a hybrid, right?

It's getting snap benefits, welfare benefits, not through traditional means, which is the government,

but through sort of non-governmental means, like churches. It's the brainchild or baby of

Casey DeSantis or Ron DeSantis or both, and somehow it became a conduit for

political activity, specifically $10 million in donations, two donations, to antipot initiatives

that were on the ballot this past cycle that Ron DeSantis was very much against.

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