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I'm Sean Fennese. I'm Amanda Dalland. And this is the big picture a conversation show about what we're seeing this summer.

Later in this episode I'll be joined by Matt Johnson, the filmmaker behind the new movie Blackberry, a funny and fascinating documentary drama.

Behind the titular device. It's created in Canada and briefly was the worldwide leader in handheld devices once upon a time until it wasn't.

Matt's movie really wonderful and talking with him was a lot of fun.

In fact sometimes you have guests on the showman or I'm like you'd actually be better at my job than I would be.

He was very very thoughtful and very articulate. I hope you'll stick around for our conversation in part because we're going to talk about the film Blackberry here at the top of our conversation.

You did see the film did you not? I did.

So we've been talking about this wave of films about real life products in our society, all of our emotional hand-ringing about air and what does it mean and oh my goodness.

Blackberry of course is in this cohort along with Tetris and the new forthcoming Flamin' Hot Cheetos film coming soon.

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