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I am Karen Hunter and the people I speak with are the awesome ones.

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Dr. Joy DeGrew is here. Post-traumatic slave syndrome is a phrase that she coined, but it just gave

voice to everything we were experiencing. And she did her doctoral dissertation on the male

youth, the African-American male youth, violence, and using

the social cultural theory, social learning theory, and trauma theory frameworks to help predict

how we can help these babies grow into manhood. Why was that your dissertation? Why did you choose

that topic? Didn't really choose that. Didn't choose it. Okay. No, no. Let me explain. So when I started to talk to my dissertation committee, now first of all, I'm in Portland, Oregon. My fault. But I'm in Portland, or not. Right. Which prides itself on being one of the widest cities in the United States, literally prides itself.

Well known, no, no surprise there.

And here I was the only doctoral black doctoral student.

And I am wanting to connect.

I am trying to figure out a way.

I coined the term post-traumatic slave syndrome, but you know, you can imagine the pushback I got there.

Oh, no, you've got to change that name. Why is that? Well, it's just, it's disconcerting. It's just provocative. I said, no, it's not. Right? And then, of course, these were all my white professors and all the, and that made me know I was going to use the term at that point.

But now I have... And then, of course, these were all my white professors and all the, and that made me know I was going to use the term at that point.

But now I have to count and measure it.

And I'm really serious about research, and I think it's important.

So it wasn't something, it wasn't, it was not a qualitative study.

It was a quantitative study.

I looked at 200 African American males.

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