I'm Charlie Sykes. Welcome back to the To the Contrary podcast. Where can we start? Looks like we have the betrayal of Ukraine on fast forward. The Trump administration essentially asking Ukraine to surrender to Russia, and it wants

to do it by Thanksgiving Day.

Meanwhile, are we actually gearing up for a war with Venezuela that nobody really can figure

out exactly what the war would be about?

Maybe they're working on that.

We had this extraordinary split screen the other day, and I want

to talk about this, obviously, as I wrote about it. The funeral for former Vice President

Dick Cheney at the National Cathedral, at the same time, the President of the United States,

who was not invited, who was not there, actually, Maga was a completely, you know, a no-show.

Look, if you want a future of Maga, you did not show up at a Dick Cheney funeral. But any case, there was that strange moment where everybody walks out of this absolutely gorgeous ceremony.

And of course, they looked at their phones and what did they find out

that the president of the United States had spent the entire morning ranting and raving about

the sedition of Democrats who needed to be put to death. Wow. The two America is a reminder

of what politics used to be like, what it has become now, how everything

is turned upside down. And who better to talk to about that than our good friend Terry Moran.

Terry, how are you doing? I'm good, Charlie. As you say, these are eventful days, but it's a

beautiful fall day here in Frederick, Maryland.

So it's all good.

Yeah.

Well, let's put this all in contrast.

I know that you covered Dick Cheney.

You know, what I wrote the other day was this was not the Dick Cheney you thought you knew.

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