You're listening to the CyberWire Museum in Washington, D.C.

I'm Dr. Vince Hote, the Museum's historian and curator. Every month,

the Museum brings you interesting talks with authors, scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of

global espionage.

Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence.

What you're about to hear is part two of a two-part interview with Paul Crookshank and Tim Lister of CNN.

Paul is CNN's terrorism analyst, an investigative reporter specializing in Al Qaeda, ISIS,

and jihadist terrorist groups.

He previously worked as an investigative journalist in London, reporting on Al-Qaeda and its European

affiliates, and was part of the CNN reporting team that covered the London July 7, 2005

attacks. Tim covered international news for over 25 years as a producer and

reporter for the BBC and CNN. He has lived and worked in the Middle East

and has also worked in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

He is now a contributor and producer for Turner Broadcasting,

where he writes for CNN.com on international topics,

including security issues, terrorism, and Europe.

Part one of this interview in which Tim, Paul, and myself discussed Tim and Paul's new book,

Agent Storm, my life in Al Qaeda and the CIA, which they co-wrote with Morton Storm, is also available

on the Spy Museum website.

This is fast, I could talk about history, even recent history for days but now since I have

you here I want to try to mine your expertise to talk a little bit more about current events

particularly two major things both of your expertise is, ISIS or IS or ISL or whatever they want to be called today,

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