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The Good Fight

Terror and Tragedy in the Middle East

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2023

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Amichai Magen is the director of the Program on Democratic Resilience & Development at Reichman University's Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy, and Strategy. He is a Visiting Professor and Fellow in Israel Studies at the Freeman-Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Amichai Magen discuss the Hamas incursion into Israel that is responsible for the greatest massacre of Jews since World War II; the prospects for Benjamin Netanyahu’s government in the aftermath of the greatest security failure in Israel’s history; and the evolving crisis following the start of Israel’s military response against Gaza. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

What should we have for dinner Trevor? We've got a few bits in the fridge.

0:03.0

Beets me, Connie.

0:04.1

Hang on, I'll use my phone.

0:08.4

How about a nice prawn curry?

0:10.4

Whoa, that's amazing, Connie. You got a chef living inside your phone

0:14.8

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0:17.8

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0:23.3

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0:25.9

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0:28.1

Can the phone what the dishes do, Connie?

0:30.8

On the one hand, Israel having sustained this terrible blow feels compelled, not only justified, but compelled, to restore the Terence, to signal to Iran, to Hezbollah to everybody in the region

0:46.0

that it will not stand by as Iran's weakest proxy in the Middle East Hamas inflicts that kind of damage

0:56.8

that Israel has to change the equation it has to change the rules of the game and

1:01.9

I think in some respects Israel also understands that all the

1:06.8

relationships that it has cultivated over the last decade with the UAE with Bahrain with Sudan with Morocco of course continuing

1:16.1

the relationship with Egypt and Jordan and indeed the prospect of a historic peace deal with Saudi Arabia depend on the perception of Israel being

1:26.1

a competent and powerful state.

1:28.6

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

2:00.1

We were looking forward to running an episode this week on a really interesting book by Jonathan Raout called The Happiness Curve about the way in which the happiness of people varies over the course of their lifespan, but given the events in Israel and the Middle East, we changed plan at the last minute, and I'm going to have a conversation about a rather more sobering issue with terrible Hamas led a terrorist attack that killed over a thousand innocent civilians in Israel, the biggest slaughter of Jews since World War II,

2:20.0

and the evolving geopolitical crisis that is resulting including the Israeli attack on Gaza.

2:30.0

To talk about this I've invited Amahai Magan. He is a visiting fellow at the Freeman Spogley Institute at Stanford University as well as a professor in Israel.

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