I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

Welcome to another episode of McCarty Sellers podcast.

Today we have a friend of the show.

My brother, one of the smartest people in politics.

I actually love this dude with all my heart,

none other than Terence Woodbury. What's going on my brother? What's up

Boccarice Helles? Thanks for having me on again, man. Man, I'm glad you are here.

I'm glad we're able to connect.

There's so much to talk about in politics

and you know the ends and outs, the ups and downs.

And by the way, I love that degree behind you.

You paid your fines and fees off?

Listen, I'll be paying for that Mora College degree for quite a while unless we can,

unless you can convince our president to do something about these loans.

I'm still paying my funds and fees for that degree.

Gout out to my wife Ellen who helped me pay mine off.

I can't even lie to you.

You've been on the show before, but can you remind listeners how you got into the work that you

do around public opinion and polling and what keeps you doing this work specifically the work of measuring and helping people understand the opinions of black voters?

Absolutely, Bekard.

So, you know, I've been in electoral politics for my entire career,

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