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🗓️ 15 January 2016

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

A Mexican journalist reacts to Sean Penn's interview with El Chapo;  Bob checks back in with the Pentagon; and the history of copyright, from its dramatic birth to its uncertain future.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From WNYC in New York, this is on the media.

0:05.1

I'm Brooke Gladstone.

0:06.2

And I'm Bob Garfield.

0:07.8

The saga of Mexican drug lord El Chapo took a new turn today.

0:12.2

Hollywood actor Sean Penn secretly met with the drug lord in the Mexican jungle.

0:18.2

El Chapo and Sean Penn, their shocking meeting.

0:21.6

The world's most wanted drug lord and an Oscar winner deep in a secret mountain hideaway.

0:26.6

What an uproar over Sean Penn's blockbuster article for Rolling Stone on his clandestine interview with the drug lord Joaquin Guzman, the murderous El Chapo.

0:38.3

For instance, here's Mexican-American journalist Alfredo Corchado on the BBC.

0:43.3

I'm saying it's not journalism, and to call it journalism is an epic insult to journalists in Mexico and beyond who have paid the ultimate price in seeking the truth.

0:52.6

Maybe Corchado didn't realize he's talking about an Oscar winner and globetriding

0:57.9

anti-imperialist at large, fighter of paparazzi and injustice.

1:03.4

But the criticism of Penn has been merciless for merely giving a sympathetic hearing to a man

1:10.2

who they say has the blood of 100,000 victims on his hands.

1:14.6

Here's retired war on drugs general Barry McCaffrey on CNN this week.

1:19.4

It's sort of a goofy 10,000-word article, you know, where he asks this notorious criminal what he's dreaming about, how would he want to change a world.

1:27.6

Now, hold on. Sean Penn did not spend 10,000 words glorifying a pitiless sociopath.

1:35.6

About 8,000 of the words, including 26 of the first 33 paragraphs, were Penn talking about himself.

1:42.6

Shame on you. You call yourself a reporter.

1:45.6

Shame on you.

1:46.3

You're nothing but a self-promoting hack.

1:48.6

That's Sean in the 2010 movie Fair Game.

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