The 1979 Iranians experienced a revolution without democracy, and today they aspire for democracy without a revolution.

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer, and welcome to the GZero World Podcast.

It's an audio version of what you can find on public television, where I analyze global

topics, sit down with big guests and make use of little puppets.

This week, I sit down with Kareem Sajedpur, an Iranian-American economist and policy

analyst who regularly advises American, European, and Asian

governments about the Middle East. He's a particularly good person to talk to about Iran right now,

and I'll talk to him about what to expect from rising tensions between Washington and Tehran.

Let's get to it.

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And I'm here with Karim Sajapur, senior fellow for the Carnegie Endowment of International Peace,

one of the top experts in the world on all things Iran, and getting a little grayer, I see.

That's true.

How did that happen?

Well, I guess it's better than the alternative.

It's not getting older.

You look good.

Great to see you.

And we're going to talk about what the hell is happening in the Iranian conflict.

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