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Let's talk about this story, which is in your family tree and a story you know a lot about.

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This is Patricia Childs, whose relative from deep in her family tree was troubled right from the start of his life.

His name was Eugene Bert, and he lived in Austin, Texas in the late 1800s.

Eugene was never a particularly successful. in the ambitious older brothers were both businessmen. His father was the city's physician,

a brilliant mind who used the bodies of victims to help investigators solve crimes.

All three of the elder birds were well respected professionals, but Eugene was not.

He was a shister, a manipulator, and an envious man who would eventually become a killer.

So this story isn't really a whodunit,

but more like, who does he kill?

And why?

Was he born a killer? Or were there other reasons?

Unravelling all of this will be a challenge. So Patricia, there's no question that Eugene did this, right?

This is more about why he did it, what was the reason behind it, and it's really complicated, and the fact that

this takes place in the 1800s makes it even more complicated.

When you're talking about mental illness at that point, we haven't come too far beyond thinking that the

moon is what makes people go berserk, right?

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