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The Ben Ferguson Podcast

Ted's Brand-New Book—A Biography of Clarence Thomas, Telling his Incredible Life Story and his Historic Impact on our Nation

The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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News Commentary, News, Politics

4.85.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

1. Purpose of the Book

  • The book aims to:
    • Tell Clarence Thomas’s personal life story, especially his rise from extreme poverty.
    • Explain his judicial philosophy and jurisprudence in plain, accessible language.
  • It is based on approximately 9.5 hours of exclusive, one‑on‑one interviews between Ted Cruz and Justice Thomas.
  • Cruz emphasizes that the book is written for non‑lawyers, including students and general readers.

2. Clarence Thomas’s Background and Life Journey

  • Grew up in severe poverty in Pin Point, Georgia, raised primarily by his grandfather.
  • Initially spoke a Gullah/Geechee dialect, not English.
  • Experienced racism, hardship, family conflict, and personal struggles, including anger and a period of heavy drinking.
  • Attended seminary with the intention of becoming a Catholic priest, later leaving due to disillusionment.
  • Educated at Holy Cross College and Yale Law School.
  • Underwent a major ideological transformation, moving from left‑wing Black Power activism to conservative principles over many years.

3. Professional Rise and Historic Achievements

  • Faced career obstacles due to perceptions surrounding affirmative action.
  • Worked under Republican Senator John Danforth, which became a turning point.
  • Served in:
    • The Reagan administration
    • The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
    • The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals
  • Appointed in 1991 as the second Black Justice on the U.S. Supreme Court.
  • On track to become the longest‑serving Supreme Court justice in U.S. history (by 2028).

4. Judicial Philosophy (“Going Further”)

  • Thomas’s jurisprudence emphasizes:
    • Originalism and the original meaning of the Constitution
    • The belief that rights come from God/nature, not government
    • A color‑blind Constitution
    • Judicial restraint: judges should interpret and apply law, not create policy
  • His opinions are intentionally plain‑spoken and accessible, reflecting his background and respect for ordinary citizens.
  • The title Going Further reflects his tendency to push legal reasoning to its foundational principles rather than incremental change.

5. Confirmation Hearings and Public Attacks

  • The book examines the 1991 confirmation hearings, including:
    • Allegations by Anita Hill
    • Intense political and media attacks
  • Cruz draws parallels between Thomas’s hearings and later Supreme Court confirmations (e.g., Brett Kavanaugh).
  • Thomas is portrayed as enduring racialized hostility and vilification because of his conservative views.

6. Legacy and Moral Example

  • Clarence Thomas is presented as:
    • A model of personal resilience, discipline, and principle
    • Someone who maintained convictions despite decades of criticism
  • Cruz argues Thomas would be widely celebrated if he were liberal, but instead has been marginalized.
  • The book frames Thomas as a role model for principled living, not just for lawyers but for all Americans.

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:04.4

Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson.

0:07.5

With you, Senator, we've got a jam-pack show, and we can start with some exciting news.

0:12.9

You decided to write a book, yet again, another book, which more than likely I'm going to

0:17.5

predict it now.

0:18.2

We like making predictions here on verdict.

0:20.3

I'm going to predict right now. I want it to be clear. On 422 of 2026, I am predicting that your book

0:27.9

will be a bestseller. That's my confidence in you. So there you go. Well, I appreciate that.

0:33.6

So this is book number five. I am really excited. Books one through four have all been bestseller, so I'm hopeful book number five will be.

0:41.2

And this one is a topic that I'm really excited about. So my latest book is coming out in August, and it is a biography of Justice Clarence Thomas.

0:53.8

It is entitled, Going Further, The Incomparable Clarence Thomas.

0:59.1

And what I try to do is a couple of things. Number one, tell his story. I know Justice

1:04.0

Thomas very well. I sat down for extensive one-on-one interviews with Justice Thomas.

1:10.7

And so I tell his story because it's an

1:13.2

inspirational, it's an incredible story. But I also try to take his jurisprudence and explain it in

1:20.9

terms that are real and understandable and make sense to folks. The book is coming out in August.

1:25.5

You can pre-order it right now. There's a new

1:28.4

website, going further.com. Go to going further.com right now, pre-order the book. I think you're

1:34.9

going to enjoy it. I think this is an important topic, and we're going to talk about it at a

1:39.3

considerable more length than just a moment. Let me also just talk to you real quick about the

1:43.8

incredible work

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