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🗓️ 6 February 2024
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If you grew up in the West, you were most likely provided with a simple, bite-sized, propagandistically persuasive explanation for the collapse of the Soviet Union: that communism simply doesn't work.
This explanation works particularly well for the hegemon who provided it, the United States, the leading enemy of global communism throughout the 20th century. But, does this explanation actually reflect reality? Did the Soviet Union really collapse because Marx and Lenin were wrong? The short answer is no. And the longer answer is what we're going to be exploring in today's Patreon episode.
To debunk the myths about the collapse of the Soviet Union, and to provide us with a much more accurate explanation, we’ve brought on two guests. Roger Keeran is a historian and professor who taught at Cornell, Princeton, Rutgers and the New York State University. Joe Jamison is an economic researcher, labor movement worker, and Roger’s co-author, under the pen name Thomas Kenny, of Socialism Betrayed: Behind the Collapse of the Soviet Union.
In this episode we explore some of the key figures and periods in USSR history before focusing in on the slow and very much avoidable unraveling of the political and economic systems of the USSR and the dissolution of the union of republics that it was comprised of. We explore the rise of the so-called second economy which led to the strengthening of a bourgeoisie class that exploited the primary socialist economy. We Look at how the reforms of Mikhail Gorbachev in the 1980s strengthened this class and undermined the socialist economy, how the policies of perestroika and glasnost—which were economic reforms and the encouragement of political openness, respectively—backfired, how right wing opportunism, revisionism, and the betrayal of Marx and Lenin’s ideas ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR, and, crucially, what we on the left can learn from this regrettable and successful counterrevolution against the most important instantiation of communism in the 20th century.
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0:24.8 | Thank you comrades. |
0:25.8 | Hope you enjoy this conversation. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, The collapse of the Soviet Union was not inevitable. |
0:50.0 | In 1985, The collapse of the Soviet Union was not inevitable. |
0:53.9 | In 1985 and thereafter, the Soviet Union had problems, |
0:58.5 | as any society has problems. |
1:01.0 | But it was essentially a vital society with yearly economic growth and progress. |
1:08.0 | It faced no economic or political crisis. |
1:12.2 | People were contented the Soviet Union, living standards were rising. |
1:16.8 | They'd risen pretty dramatically in the previous 10 years, 75 to 85. The collapse did not come from an economic crisis like runaway |
1:28.8 | inflation or unemployment or depression, did not come from a political crisis of mass demonstration |
1:36.3 | strikes discontent with the government. It really came about from the policies of |
1:42.1 | Bickel Robiche. about from the policies of the Kel Globature. |
1:44.0 | And that these policies would attempt to deal with some of the problems that the |
1:50.6 | Soviet Union had by injecting certain ideas of capitalism and liberalism into a socialist economy. |
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