Yeah, so there's an interesting back and forth happening in that Barack Obama, your first thing is like, oh, he's nervous to talk to Bruce Springsteen, which I mean for maybe an hour.

Maybe the first hour they talked.

Maybe he was like, I'm nervous to be on air with Bruce Springsteen.

But I think the tone that you're for us to cover it, because sometimes covering another podcast inherently is like, well, if I wanted to hear that podcast, I could just listen to it.

But this is such a bad podcast.

I feel we are doing a service covering it and kind of giving you an important lesson about the president.

They're both really bad at Riffin.

They have certain areas that they fall back into where they're kind of good at speaking.

Like, Barack Obama could do a hell of a speech, so he starts every episode, and he leads the conversation.

So he's always like, you know, growing up, I lived in a trailer that was surrounded by plywood boards and karate men would kick those in and, well, they'd hold me a gunpoint and they'd fuck my mom.

That kind of reminds me, what's your mom like to you, Bruce, or whatever?

He has like a whole story that he pushes Bruce Springsteen on,

and then Bruce Springsteen will take a long-ass time, be like, oh, huh.

That's really insightful. I never thought of that.

And then just, like, kind of rant about whatever or a while.

But if they get into a rift zone, they are in an awkward place.

And Barack does sound afraid to be without a net.

Because if you're president, I mean, you got the teleprompter all the time.

Mm-hmm.

And he doesn't, he's so good at the prepared speech.

I think it is scary to him to, to like hang out in the just being cool

as own with Bruce Springsteen, who's the coolest dude ever.

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