So staying on the topic of electoralism, we know you've worked on some of the progressive campaigns in Pennsylvania.

What is your honest take, 2024, about the state of electoral politics in the US. Is it worth engaging

with or the differences between you know local and federal? What do you think is

is worth doing electoral wise and what is not here's what I say I would you know I think that if you look at some of the successful

revolutionaries of the past and what they said is I make pragmatic alliances for

short-term goals and you know to to if you're one of those people that are like

okay Mike you just prove to me that electoral politics is completely worthless.

Look what happened to John Federman.

I would point your attention to something else that happened in Pennsylvania.

Someone named Summerly, the openly socialist black woman who won Pittsburgh, which is an over-level white city, and she ran 100% pro-Palestine.

She beat $8 million of A-Pack money and she defeated a Pennsylvania's richest man, Jeff

Yass, that he's poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into her primary race and she

fucking crushed it. She destroyed them and she fucking crushed it.

She destroyed them.

And she is one of those voices that is

virately pro-Palestine.

She's demonstrating that being pro-Palestine

is not a risk, especially to safe Democrats. and that it's about it's a matter of

organizing.

And listen, this is my view.

I am not an anarchist.

I have 0% anarchist in me.

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