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Anyway, Pat Brady fixes the audio. Mike Rickberg sang that song you just heard and Vilmos fixes the website. Thanks for tuning in. Here, let's start with Baron Vaughn,

returning to the program triumphantly with the good audio. Welcome to the program, Barron Vaugh.

Yes, a very, very different program it is now.

It is. I had Graham Elwood on yesterday. And he was talking about how, you know, the old days with the telephone and having to turn around and look at me and go, why am I talking to one person on the couch and one person at the computer?

Why is everyone not in front of me?

But now you're like right in front of me.

We're like directly in each other's lines of sight.

This is it. Lines of sight.

It's really intimate and intense. Deeply. Yeah, we're going to do it.

You know, I've been doing something a lot lately where I'm forcing myself, not that I'm

not good at eye contact, but I'm making sure that I really look in people's eyes when I talk

to them.

Okay.

But then I keep, the only thing that distracts me is when I have a mental monologue about

which eye should I look into, because I'm just like looking at the left eye a lot or the

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