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TBD | Why Trump Keeps Pardoning Crypto Criminals

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

President Trump pardoned Changpeng Zhao, the former CEO of Binance who had been convicted for violating anti-money laundering laws, after months of Zhao boosting Trump’s own crypto company. The crypto industry has really nailed the path to Trump’s heart: it was something Joe Biden didn’t like, and it feeds directly to the president’s bottom line.  Guest: Alex Kirshner, contributing writer at Slate. Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Evan Campbell, and Patrick Fort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I want to start today by playing a testy little exchange from last week between President

0:09.3

Trump and CNN's Caitlin Collins.

0:14.3

Collins is asking the president about his decision to pardon Changpeng Xiao, better known

0:19.4

as CZ. CZ was the CEO of the crypto platform

0:23.8

Binance, and he pled guilty to money laundering last year.

0:27.5

Today you pardoned the founder of Binance. Can you explain why you chose to pardon him and

0:32.6

did it have anything to do with his involvement in your family's?

0:34.6

Which one? Who is that? The founder of Binance. He has an involvement in

0:38.1

Europe. The recent one, yes. I believe we're talking about the same break because I do part

0:43.3

in a lot of people. I don't know he was recommended by a lot of people. A lot of people say that,

0:49.5

are you talking about the crypto person? A lot of people say that he wasn't guilty of anything. He served

0:55.1

four months in jail and they say that he was not guilty of anything, that what he did,

1:00.4

well, you don't know much about crypto. You know nothing about, you know nothing about nothing,

1:04.7

you have fake news. I played that exchange for Alex Kirshner. Alex is a contributing writer here at Slate, who writes a lot about crypto.

1:14.3

And I asked him to remind everyone what CZ actually did, because if you listen to the president,

1:20.9

well, it's hard to know.

1:23.1

The United States has rules that are designed to stop people from helping others launder money.

1:30.2

And finance not only didn't stick within the spirit of those rules, but flattered them,

1:37.2

aggressively, even mocked them in internal communications that the United States government unearthed.

1:43.8

And the reason why Changpeng

1:46.6

Zhao went to jail was because he turned Binance into a deliberate playground for money

1:54.3

launderers and financial criminals who were using crypto to skirt the rules of the U.S. and really global financial system.

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