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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Whole Foods based its brand on a certain standard of quality—but there are some things that shoppers nevertheless want. Amazon believes it has found a way to keep the shelves looking like Whole Foods, while getting you the Tide PODS  and Cheez-Its you deeply desire. Guest: Peyton Bigora, staff reporter for Grocery Dive Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Evan Campbell, and Patrick Fort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. It is Lizzie. I want to tell you a story about a time I did something incredibly stupid.

0:07.4

It was a couple of years ago, and I got an Instagram message from a woman I went to college with.

0:12.3

I didn't know her all that well, but enough to follow each other on social media.

0:16.5

She had DM'd me a link about her new business, which I clicked on and promptly got hacked.

0:23.3

My account was taken over by crypto scammers who started posting pictures of my kid and

0:28.2

somehow also links to invest in Bitcoin on top of them. I was locked out, the scammers tried to

0:35.0

scam my friends, the whole thing was a huge mess. And despite

0:38.3

emailing and emailing and following all the supposed right protocols, I could not get my

0:43.8

account back from meta. Until, I decided to make an episode about it and enlisted the help of my

0:50.1

colleagues and a great investigative tech reporter named Kirsten Grind. Making a journalistic

0:55.2

fuss got me my account back, but it also earned me tons of letters from listeners. People

1:00.8

who had had similar things happened to them, but had no recourse. And that was what we were

1:05.8

able to highlight. Meta was basically ignoring its users, please. And that is why I make this show, to figure out the places where tech bumps up against our lives and how it helps, how it hurts, how it frustrates us, and how these huge corporations are able to wield such massive power. But to be brutally honest, we cannot make this show without your help. We depend on

1:30.9

Slate Plus memberships. They fund our reporting. And right now, till the end of the year, we are offering

1:37.2

half off on a year-long membership. All you got to do is go to slate.com slash TBD Plus and enter the code TBD50.

1:45.9

That is slate.com slash TBD Plus on the code TBD50.

1:50.4

We will stick a link in the show notes to make it easier for you.

1:54.3

And I would really love for you to become a member so we can keep making these shows for you.

1:59.0

Thank you.

2:11.7

I want you to paint me a picture. If I were to walk into a Whole Foods in Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania,

2:17.5

to get some just like regular Whole Foodsy groceries, could I? I mean, as of right now, absolutely.

2:20.5

Peyton Bagora knows grocery stores.

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