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episode. Okay, here's the show. One of the things I noticed this week when I was researching

this episode is that very few virologists want to talk publicly about the lab leak theory

of COVID. So when I got Angie Rasmussen on the line on Wednesday afternoon, I wanted to know

why she was different. Why are you willing to talk about it? Because I shot my mouth off about it

in February 2020. In her day job, Angie studies emerging viruses at the vaccine and infectious disease

organization at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada. In her off time on Twitter, she's pretty

famously blunt. I don't remember what I called Tom Cotton, but it was something probably not very

nice because he was at the time saying that for sure this was manufactured and it may have been

intentionally released. It may have been accidentally released, but this is the product of

so-called gain of function research and possibly a bio-weapons program. And even back then,

when we knew very, very little, that did not seem plausible to me at all. It is definitely possible

to get sick in a lab that handles pathogens. Angie is the first person to admit that.

It's something that I worry about every day right behind me is a containment lab that I work in

right now. There's nobody in there. Oh yeah. And that's actually a tuberculosis lab. But I work

in the lab right next door on the other side of that wall. And maintaining proper biosafety protocols

is something that means a lot to me because I literally don't want there to be a lab leak in my own

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