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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

TBD | The Drone Wars

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

The war between Ukraine and Russia is being fought increasingly via drone —and NATO and US military leadership is training troops for future conflicts that will pit man against machine. Guest: Jake Epstein, senior defense reporter for Business Insider. Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Evan Campbell and Patrick Fort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Over the past few weeks, the drone war between Russia and Ukraine has been escalating.

1:10.0

Last Friday, Russia launched a three-day aerial

1:12.8

assault on Ukraine, firing some 900 drones. The Ukrainian Air Force called it the biggest drone attack

1:19.9

since the start of the war. Russia now appears to be massing troops near Ukraine's northern border, and Ukraine is stepping

1:31.6

up its own drone attacks, including some on towns near Moscow.

1:35.7

A few months ago, reporter Jake Epstein traveled to Kiev to an unremarkable apartment

1:40.5

building to see Ukrainian drone production firsthand. We went into an elevator, went up several flights, and it was just a hallway where you would never know

1:51.0

that this is where they're making weapons of war that will be sent to the front line soon and used in

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