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Woman's Hour

Tareena Shakil, Nabihah Iqbal & Libby Heaney, Death Doulas

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Tareena Shakil is the first British woman to be found guilty of joining so-called Islamic State. She was jailed for travelling to Syria with her baby son to join ISIS. That was in 2014 when she was 24. She didn't last long in Syria and fled. A trial in the UK followed and it came to light that she lied to police when they questioned her and some of her social media posts encouraged others to do the same as her. She tells her story to Anita Rani, and describes her hopes for the future. Libby Heaney and Nabihah Iqbal are combining music production and AI for their piece Cascade. It's an exploration of the River Thames and includes field recordings of the Thames, AI generated sounds and visuals. One Big Bag is a film installation about a young death doula. That's a carer who supports someone who's dying and their families. Its creator is artist Every Ocean Hughes. She joins Hermione Elliott who's a doula herself, and Dr Helen Frisby.

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts

0:05.2

Hello, I'm Anita Rani and welcome to Woman's Hour from BBC Radio 4.

0:11.0

Good morning. We're going to discuss something that isn't often talked about and yet is inevitable

0:16.9

for every single one of us.

0:18.9

Nope, not tax, the other one.

0:21.0

Death. Or rather, the rituals around death.

0:25.0

How do we or don't we cope with it?

0:27.8

The reason I've brought up such a cheery subject on a Friday morning is because just as at the

0:33.0

beginning of life you might have a birth doula to help women through the process of giving

0:37.2

birth.

0:38.2

You also have death doulas who provide the same support at the end of life and they're

0:43.5

usually women.

0:44.7

Women who help the person dying and their families navigate the time before and after

0:49.9

death.

0:50.9

A death doula, something you might consider.

0:54.2

Now we've all had to confront death in the last couple of years whether it's listening

0:57.5

to the daily death tolls and stories of death on the news every day or sadly losing a

1:02.2

loved one and not being able to be there with them and fulfill their last wishes or perform

1:07.2

the customs you would have in ordinary times and it's been utterly heartbreaking.

1:12.5

So this morning I would like to hear from you on this subject.

1:16.7

Maybe you're going through this right now.

1:18.4

Have you had a terminal diagnosis and are having to think about the end of your life,

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