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I'm Charlie Sykes. Welcome to the contrary podcast. We could talk about a lot of things. We could talk about

Donald Trump's war on statistical reality. We could talk about his new ballroom, the late stage

Chowcesterscu meets Liberacee meets, I don't know what. But I wanted to do something a little bit different today.

I wanted to go back to the story that Donald Trump does not want to talk about the story that

he cannot shake. And I want to do it in a somewhat different way. So we are very fortunate to be

joined by Tara Palmeri, who has been covering this story for so long. Tara, thank you for coming

on the podcast, first of all.

Okay. Thanks so much for having me, Charlie. It's such a pleasure. I've been admiring your work for a long time. So thanks for having me. Well, thank you. And I would strongly urge people to subscribe to Tara's newsletter, the Red Letter, which has been covering this in a different way. And I told right before we started this that I was really struck by something that you wrote about your coverage of the Epstein

story. I mean, the story's massive. It's power, corruption, secrecy at the highest levels.

But you decided at some point that if you were going to do it, it had to be about the survivors,

not the wealth porn, not the conspiracy boards, not the political gamesmanship.

And that's what I want to focus on today.

You know, look, we can talk a little bit about what you think is going to happen in the future,

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