Hi everybody this is talking dayline I'm Josh Mancoitz and I'm joined by

Dennis Murphy hi Dennis hey Bud how are you doing? I'm good. We are here to talk about the episode

from last Friday, which is called Down the Basement Stairs. Now, if you, the audience audience have not seen this episode or if you've

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So go there, listen to down the basement stairs,

or watch it on television, and then come back here.

I don't think that I have ever covered a case at Dateline where

there were four trials. I think that's the headline and the other things. You know

we've been in courts a lot Josh and my

experience is state prosecutor goes for at one time they lose they had a hung jury they

come back and they go again but after two if they don't get it after two you know everybody shakes hands and goes home.

That's my experience.

I've never, I can't recall one going four rounds like this.

Of course, somebody's got their, you know, Guinness Book of Records looking it up

and I'll be proved wrong but it is extraordinary.

Yeah I mean there are cases that go more times but uh the frequently that hinges on evidence that was

admissible one time being inadmissible

another time yeah this is kind of the same case and prosecutors sort of

couldn't make it go

speculation I don't think they could play the movie, as it were, for the jury, and tell

them what happened in that house.

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