Welcome to the Edge of Sports podcast. I'm Dave Ziron. This week, I'm so excited. We are speaking to the New York Times bestselling author of the new book, Blood in the Garden, the flagrant history of the 1990s, New York Knicks.

I'm talking about Chris Herring.

Also, I've got some choice words about Barry Bonds,

not making it to the Hall of Fame.

We're going to have some Jake's takes and more.

But first, let's talk to the man himself, Chris Herring.

Just... But first, let's talk to the man himself, Chris Harry. Just start with the obvious.

I mean, the Knicks of the 90s, they never won a chip.

They only went to two NBA finals.

They never got past Michael Jordan.

And yet, the interest both around your book and frankly

around this team is very intense.

And my first question is why?

Like, why do you think this team has made such a cultural footprint?

Well, I think, you know, we were just talking a minute ago about where we're from.

And I think there's something to be said just talking a minute ago about where we're from.

And I think there's something to be said for droughts in sports and just the intensity that comes with that.

And not just a drought in terms of winning a championship, but really a drought from being sustainably good and consistently good for the Knicks. When you consider that, I think you consider that they are essentially have been the only basketball team in the city. I know the nets are there now, but weren't during the era that I was writing about. And so I think for a city that has pairs for most teams,

baseball and the Yankees and the Mets and football

with the Jets and Giants.

I think the Knicks kind of having the city to themselves

is a factor and kind of a sleeping giant,

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