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Hello creatives.

I'm Joanna Penn.

And this is episode number 599 of the podcast.

And it is Sunday the 23rd of January 22, as I record this.

In today's show, I'm talking to Caitlin Duncan about how to take back your book,

an author's guide to rights reversion and publishing on your terms.

So if you don't know about rights reversion, it's basically when you ask for, and hopefully get certain rights back after a period of time, or conditions have changed

according to contractual terms. For example, with an older contract, it might be that the book is

out of print, although in newer ones that doesn't really happen, or after a

certain number of years have passed, according to a foreign rights contract that might be for,

you know, 10 years or something, or for exclusivity periods, that might be seven years for

an old ACX contract or a 90-day exclusivity for KU. So if you have signed a contract in any way for your book

or you have uploaded your work to a website, which most of indie authors have, you have

licensed in some way. And rights reversion is when you get those rights back. Now, ideally,

you think about these things

before you take an action, before you sign a contract, because if you get terms in a contract,

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