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Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, April 12th, and we are going to have this conversation as delicately and respectfully.

But robes it might need to happen, frankly, as possible as we welcome you to this episode of Amy and T.J.

With so many thoughts and conversations around Eric Swalwell, the California gubernatorial candidate who's now been accused of rape.

Robs, there are conversations that happen in some circles of the internet and in some homes

privately. And these are difficult to have because anytime you have them, it seems like you're

questioning the story of the survivor if you at all examine that survivor's behavior.

Can you, how do you, and this is what we're trying to do here

on this episode, have that conversation, Robes, and it's a tough one to have in these cases.

It's really hard because I think most women understand the vulnerability, just physically of

who we are, and when we go out, that we are potentially targets. And I think

at least most mothers talk to their daughters, maybe fathers talk to their daughters as well

about this, I imagine. But it's a conversation I've certainly had with mine after my own

personal experiences. I think sometimes they're hard-earned experiences, but I have had conversations about them taking responsibility

for their behavior to not put themselves in a position to become victimized.

Okay, so there you...

And that can be controversial.

Okay, wait a second.

So did you use the word responsibility?

I think that's where... Exactly. Okay, that is... Maybe that's a bad word to use. No, wait a second. So did you use the word responsibility? I think that's where...

Exactly. Maybe that's a bad word to use. No, that's my question. Does a woman ever, and we're just going to speak

women here when we talk about sexual assaults. Is a woman ever, can you ever have a conversation

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