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dot com and of course on the bloom. This is a true joy.

Gideon Rose has been wonderful to stop by in a monthly basis to flog his issue of foreign affairs

at magazine.

It's a jewel that's one.

I hate him because the books in the back like including a one

volume on Chopin? What is this a music book? Foreign Affairs again does it well

with thoughtful reading including essays by Secretary Pompeo and also by the former Treasury

Secretary of the United States, Jacob Lou. We're thrilled that Jack Lou and

Gideon Rose could be with us together this morning. Gentlemen, this is just a joy to have you here, particularly with the news flow.

I've got to ask you an ugly question.

I don't want to ask you, but I want to go first to you, Gideon.

You've got a beautiful essay in this new issue on authoritarianism in the Middle East.

Give us your thoughts on the new Saudi Arabia.

Well, so in many respects this is not exactly shocking. The Saudi regime does not take

dissidents lightly and they have gone after their internal critics in many respects in the past.

And in fact, many regimes have done this in an unsavory way over the years.

When Napoleon did something similar and got criticized for it, his

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