I am Mission Laciani, founder of Mind Valley, the School for Human Transformation.

You're listening to the Mind Valley Podcast where we'll be bringing you the greatest teachers and

thought leaders on the planet to discuss the world's most powerful ideas and personal growth for mind, body, spirit, and work.

Hi everyone, welcome to a unique episode of the Mind Valley Podcast. This is what we call a reverse interview. Every

now and that I have a thought leader somewhere in the world, interview me on a

subject for their program or their podcast. I get permission to re-share it here.

And this is a way for you to get to know a unique aspect of my mind as questioned or

interviewed by a different thought leader.

So today's person interviewing me

is this wonderful man, Dawa Tachin Phillips.

He is brilliant, a 25-year expert in mindfulness and meditation.

He's the co-founder and former director of education

of the University of California, Santa Barbara Center for Mindfulness

and Human Potential, where his work is on the cognitive, effective

and academic benefits of secular mindfulness training on school kids.

He's also the Executive Director and Founding board member of the International Mindful Teachers Association.

Dawa and I know each other because we both serve in the Transformational Leadership Council.

Now, in this interview, we're going to talk about the

definition of transformation. What does it mean to say someone has gone through a

transformation and when you understand the power of transformation you get to see how you can

spark it in a more rapid effective way in your life.

So we're going to go on a wild journey from Buddhism to Martin Luther King, to theories of suffering, to research at Google, to political activism, to awakened states. It's going to be fairly deep, fairly intense, and I think it's going to blow your mind. So let's get started. I'm Viscian Laciani and this is the Mind Valley podcast.

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