Hey, Ted Talks Daily listeners. I'm Elise Hugh. Today we have an episode of another podcast from the TED Audio Collective, handpicked by us for you. I, like many, struggle to develop any new positive habits in the new year, but that doesn't mean that I don't try.

To dig into the science of habits, we're sharing an episode from rethinking with Adam Grant.

Adam sat down with blogger, executive coach, and author of the book Atomic Habits, James Clear,

who has spent years studying how to form and change habits. They discuss what it takes to change our systems for achieving goals, how to build habits

around identities, and why accumulating small wins can add up to big changes.

To hear more deep conversations, you can find rethinking wherever you get your podcasts.

Learn more about the TED Audio Collective at audiocollective. Attead.com.

Now on to the episode.

Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant.

Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast on the Science of What Makes Us Tick.

I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people

to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

My guest today is James Clear.

He's the author of Atomic Habits,

which is sold over 15 million copies

and might be the most practical book

I've ever read. He has a remarkable capacity for distilling complex ideas about behavior

change into actionable insights, which he features in his weekly newsletter, 3-2-1.

I wrote one of the advance endorsements for his book, but this is the first time we've ever spoken.

And I have some habits.

I'm ready to change.

So tell me, how did you get interested in habits?

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