Sunak vs. Starmer: Tax Attacks

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

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🗓️ 7 June 2024

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

The IfG rebuttal unit kicked into gear this week after our very own Nick Davies found himself dragged into the Conservative party’s tax attack on Labour. So where did that number really come from – and what can Labour do about it? Full Fact’s Chris Morris joins the IfG podcast to look back on a very noisy TV debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer. We’re into the manifesto countdown – but will either Labour or the Conservatives say anything about the problems piling up for whoever forms the next government? A new IfG paper, The Precarious State of the State, sets out the scale and severity of the challenges likely to dominate the next parliament. Plus: The state of GPs’ surgeries. Another new IfG report – out on Saturday – says GPs’ surgeries are old, cramped and crumbling. So, what can be done about it? Hannah White presents, with Nick Davies and Ben Paxton. Produced by Candice McKenzie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government.
0:14.2	I'm Hannah White.
0:15.5	Issuing rebuttals to the Prime Minister, pushing back on tax claims, claiming false use of evidence.
0:20.5	Well, to our surprise,
0:21.9	that's what the IFG found ourselves doing on Wednesday. Yes, the general election campaign took
0:26.5	an unexpected turn for us after Rishi Sunak and Kirstama clashed on Tuesday night at the TV debate.
0:32.6	More on that later. We're a few days away, we think, from the publication of the party manifestos.
0:38.1	Everyone is going to be selling their vision for the future, but will anyone actually have a
0:42.8	credible plan for fixing the problems of today?
0:45.8	A new report, which we've called the precarious state of the state, lays out the scale
0:51.2	and severity of the problem.
0:53.0	We'll talk to its author.
0:55.6	And then we'll tackle the type of issue that is bound to be coming up on the doorstep, how easy it is to get an
0:59.7	appointment with a GP. Well, it doesn't help when GPs are working in cramped and crumbling buildings.
1:05.0	And we've got a new report out on that too, so lots to talk about. Throughout the podcast,
1:09.7	I'm joined by Nick Davies, who runs our
1:11.6	public services work. Hi, Nick. Hi, Hannah. And I'm delighted to be joined by fact checker in
1:17.5	chief, Chris Morris, CEO of Full Fact and one-time mastermind of the BBC's reality check. Hi, Chris.
1:24.2	Hi, Hannah. How are you? I'm pretty well. Thank you. So let's start with the debates. Nick,
1:30.4	I have to start with you. Now, we mustn't mention the number in question because that's amplifying it, of course,
1:36.4	but the Conservatives have come up with a number. Remind us what the number is meant to tell us.
1:40.8	So the number, which shall not be named, is meant to tell us how much labour will raise people's
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