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Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Balls, and I'm joined by James Fusife and Isabel Hardman.

So we've heard a lot about Boris Johnson's roadmap out of lockdown, but Nicola Sturgeon

has held her cards closer to her chest. Today we've had more details. The First Minister

has announced that up to four adults from two different households will be able to meet

outdoors in Scotland from Friday of this week. As for young people, four people aged between

12 to 17 will be able to meet even if they are all from different households.

James, this is faster than Boris Johnson's.

I think this is an interesting tell, actually, about where public opinion might be shifting on coronavirus,

which is Nicola Sturgeon has made great play of being more cautious than Boris Johnson during this crisis moving more slowly.

It's noticeable, for example, that, you know, schools in Scotland have not gone back in the big bang way that schools in England did on Monday.

But now, Nicholas Sturgeon actually did this particular liberalisation about meeting another household in your own back garden makes the rules in Scotland more liberal than they are in England.

And I think this is interesting because Nicholas Sturgeon, a few weeks back, basically, when she announced, sketched out her roadmap, she didn't have any dates in it, essentially said, well, you know, I'm not going to put these on.

And I think there was, if you talk to MSPs, there was quite a backlash from their constituents about this lack of detail, lack of roadmap.

People, I think, are beginning to want to know when they will be able to get to do things.

Now, obviously, schools going back is a greater move away from lockdown than allowing two households to meet in a back garden. But I think it is

interesting that Nicola Sturgeon has felt the need to offer this up. And I think it is a tell about

where public opinion is going. You add this to this question, which is a lot of people are

getting interested in, which is that the Centre for Disease Control in the United States

have suggested that once people are vaccinated, they can behave in a different way from before.

Now, this is something the UK government have been very keen to push back against.

At the moment, the rules apply to everyone in England, regardless of whether they have had

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