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We'll see you in January. We hope you enjoy this last installment of our suffering series. Here we go.

So, the first episode of the suffering trilogy we talked about sort of other people's suffering

in a sort of a third person, you know, like big issues. How do we engage them? How do we help those

people? How do we hear their stories? The second one we kind of went first person and really kind

looked at the suffering in ourselves and how do we engage it and how do we use contemplation,

use meditation ideas to kind of be present and see suffering through a different lens and it kind

of takes some of its power away. And we got this third episode and I think we'd like to shift the

the focus a little bit towards a second person, sort of a you when you encounter somebody

that's in suffering that is your, you know, not just a third person stranger,

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