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Stuart Stevens, one of the founders of the Lincoln Project ad maker for a ton of Republicans over the years

Including for George W. Bush's presidential campaigns where I met him in a spin room after a Bush Gore debate

The spin room is where advocates for the two candidates spin for the media after the debate and he was spinning of course for Bush

and I was spinning for Gore. I

Clearly did a better job

Obviously because Gore won the popular vote. Gore got more votes than

Bush

Anyway, I believe Stuart and I became friends and now he's become a bitterly

Disaffected Republican and I mean bitterly to the point of some borderline self-loathing

I had him on the podcast a couple years ago when he wrote a book about the Republican party entitled it was all a lie

And I wanted to pick up on that conversation and talk about his old party today and going forward

Of course back in that

2000 Bush Gore race it was all I and that's what I was saying in the spin room that night

Bush had been saying over and over again that quote by far the vast majority of my tax cut is

going to those at the bottom and of course the opposite was true the vast majority of his tax cut was going to those at the top and

It exploded the debt which had been nothing

Clinton handed Bush a balanced budget

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