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Stripping Power From Federal Agencies: Interview With Winner of Supreme Court Case | Facts Matter

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🗓️ 6 March 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Stripping Power from Federal Agencies – Interview with Mark Chenoweth of New Civil Liberties Alliance

In this episode, we sit down with Mark Chenoweth from the New Civil Liberties Alliance to discuss their landmark victory in the ruling that overturned the 40-year-old “Chevron deference” precedent, fundamentally reshaping the balance of power between federal agencies and the judiciary. Once, courts deferred to agencies’ expertise when interpreting ambiguous laws; now, federal judges hold the reins to decide what those laws mean—ushering in a new era of judicial policymaking.

We dive into the “Chevron Difference,” exploring what this win means for the future of regulatory law and agency authority. From environmental protections to workplace safety and drug pricing, the fallout of this ruling could ripple across every corner of American life.

Join us as we unpack the profound implications of this decision for the rule of law, the role of unelected judges, and the ability of federal agencies to safeguard the public. This is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

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0:00.0

All right, Mark, thank you so much for joining us.

0:02.0

Glad to be here, Roman.

0:03.0

Can you please introduce yourself in your organization?

0:06.0

Sure. Mark Chenoweth, president of the New Civil Liberties Alliance.

0:09.0

We sue the administrative state to defend people's civil liberties from overreaching government.

0:14.0

So this past year you had, I would say, not even a relatively big victory. It's a huge victory. Your case was among the two cases consolidated into one decision that overturned the doctrine of Chevron deference.

0:32.0

That's right. Huge. Could you start by outlining to the audience what the doctrine of Chevron deference was?

0:38.9

Sure. So Chevron deference came from a 1984 Supreme Court decision. And what it said is that if a statute is either ambiguous or if there's a gap in the statute so that the meaning isn't entirely clear,

0:55.7

that if an administrative agency comes in and it makes an interpretation of that ambiguity or gap

1:01.5

that the court considers reasonable, then the court has to defer to that agency's interpretation of the statute.

1:08.8

So essentially, you're taking the independent judgment away from the

1:12.3

judiciary, and you're instead telling those Article III lifetime appointed judges, just listen to

1:18.3

whatever the administrative agency says. Right. Well, I can imagine, you know, just hearing that

1:23.5

definition, the way I imagine it would work in like a nice, in a benevolent society

1:30.1

where you take it sort of at face value that it was totally intended for a good purpose,

1:34.5

is like if a statute says water has to not have a dangerous amount of benzene in it, drinking

1:41.8

water. And then the relevant agency has to determine, okay, what's the level of benzene that

1:46.5

would be allowed in drinking water to not make a contaminated parts per trillion or something

1:50.2

like that, right?

1:51.0

So that's like the law, and then the agency interprets that law in actually executing.

1:57.2

So that's, you know, the positive, I guess, side of the doctrine of Chevron deference.

2:01.6

Yeah.

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