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Strike First, Explain Never

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

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4.4 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

So far, the U.S. has blown up 14 boats in the Caribbean and the Pacific, killing at least 57 people. In the two months since the strikes began, the administration has consistently offered the same explanation: The U.S. has a fentanyl overdose problem, and these boats are a source of that drug. The federal government has stuck to that line despite the Drug Enforcement Administration and Department of Homeland Security saying most of the fentanyl brought into this country comes from Mexico, not through the Caribbean. Nancy Youssef covers national security for The Atlantic. She joins the show to discuss the strikes, the administration’s changes to the military, and the lack of transparency in the transformed Pentagon. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

We come on the air tonight with breaking news.

0:09.0

The U.S. has launched a military strike against a boat in the Caribbean, killing 11 people on board.

0:15.0

So starting on September 2nd, the United States started striking boats in international waters as they were leaving Venezuela.

0:24.2

The president says the boat was part of a cartel operation carrying drugs from Venezuela and heading right towards the U.S.

0:31.2

The way the United States justified is that they said these are narco-terrorists that pose a threat to the United States.

0:37.7

And the way to combat the fentanyl overdose problem in the United States is to take out the source of it, which is these boats.

0:45.9

This is Atlantic staff writer Nancy Yusef, who covers national security.

0:51.2

The problem is we don't know who are on these boats, why these boats versus

0:55.0

others are being targeted, what was on those boats. In addition, fentanyl doesn't come from

0:59.9

that part of the Caribbean. We want to keep fentanyl out of the United States. And I don't know how

1:08.3

widely known this is, but those routes through the Caribbean are predominantly used to bring cocaine to Europe.

1:17.0

That was Senator Mark Kelly, and he's right.

1:20.0

According to the DEA and DHS, most of the fentanyl trafficked into the U.S. comes from Mexico.

1:26.8

In the boats that we've seen sunk,

1:28.5

they look like small fishing vessels that would struggle to make the thousand-mile journey

1:32.9

to the U.S. Despite what Trump says about Venezuela and President Nicholas Maduro, fentanyl does not

1:40.2

come through the Caribbean. So why is the Trump administration killing people over it?

1:47.5

If fentanyl's not coming from there and you've declared that that is the problem drug,

1:52.0

and the boats can't reach the United States, I'm having a hard time understanding what

1:56.4

legal justification there is.

1:58.6

I'm not saying you have to let them all go, but to use military

2:02.9

action to put that threat down rather than using the law enforcement measure. That's what I'm

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